Making a Burner

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Making a Burner

Post by Texasbowhunter » August 22nd, 2020, 5:59 pm

Afternoon guys
Once again I was hoping to get your thoughts...
I'm considering going on another mission to hopefully make my life a bit easier when starting my charcoal so I was considering joining some pipe together and creating a burner that can be removed and installed when needed...
I have a mini and doing some research it doesn't appear that any mfg. has burners small enough for my needs...So hopefully with the next questions answered I would be off to the hardware store to obtain some fittings and fab one...
One of the reasons to fab one was to make life easier not just for me but for my son when I call upon him to fire up the smoker and all he has to do is slide the burner inside and fire it up and walk away to allow the charcoal to get a real good burn and then remove...
I'm considering making a "H" type burner that will sit on top of a 1/2" bar on each side to support it while its igniting the charcoal...
I'm going to use my 20 lb. tank of propane so what ever its capable of pressures it is what it is...
So a few questions come up
A) What size of black threaded pipe will work? I was considering 1/2" but discussing this with my son he felt that there would not be enough pressure to burn hot...He and I then discussed 1/4" threaded pipe but after looking at the hardware store which the 1/4" fittings and nipples were void...I did see 3/8" dia...
So the question comes up as to size?
B) What size of holes? do you think .125 will work or go smaller like .090 or even smaller to something in the .060 range (would be very challenging to drill but could be done)
I was thinking that there would be 6 holes on one arm and six holes on the other totaling 12 holes...
C) I have no idea what the pressures are out of a regulator that is attached to a propane bottle and would be using the knob on top to control the intensity of the fire...
So not knowing what the pressures are I would think I need to know the volume of the tubing along with the dia. of the 12 holes
This is where I would lean on you to help guide me in right direction
Hope all this makes sense
If not I will try and elaborate if needed...
Paul



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Re: Making a Burner

Post by JKalchik » August 22nd, 2020, 7:04 pm

<shrug> I just unmounted a 50k BTU venturi burner from one of my brewstands. It gets balanced on the bottom threaded mounting stud in the ash box, and burns while I'm mounting my HM controller, only a couple of minutes. Seems to work just fine. These with the right regulator can be had for only a few bucks online.


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by tinspark » August 22nd, 2020, 7:30 pm

First off, Good topic. I was envisioning, as I was reading your post, using the existing angle slides for whatever burner that you come up with. Maybe make a few angle clips above the new burner (like wings pointing out), and slide the new burner in like you would your ash screen. The burner would be setting just under the existing permanent angle glides. pull it out after things get going.
It would come in very handy for sure.
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Re: Making a Burner

Post by tinspark » August 22nd, 2020, 7:32 pm

JKalchik wrote:
August 22nd, 2020, 7:04 pm
<shrug> I just unmounted a 50k BTU venturi burner from one of my brewstands. It gets balanced on the bottom threaded mounting stud in the ash box, and burns while I'm mounting my HM controller, only a couple of minutes. Seems to work just fine. These with the right regulator can be had for only a few bucks online.
JKalchik, If you can find that inexpensive burner on a site somewhere and copy and paste a link here that would be awesome!
Good find!


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by JKalchik » August 22nd, 2020, 8:21 pm

Here ya go: https://www.amazon.com/GasOne-50200-210 ... P0YHJQAFS5

Attaches directly to a 20 lb. grill tank. If you're feeling ambitious, build a mount for it, the mounting stud on the bottom should make it pretty simple.


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by dacolson » August 24th, 2020, 10:21 am

Man, I'd be super nervous about ash blocking those burners. Gas filling the bottom of the ash pan, then boom. I'm a bit of a chicken here but I'm opposed to jerryrigging anything to do w/ gas in an enclosed area. If you do it, I would definitely not make this a permanent fixture. Make it so you have to remove it after your coals are going. This kind of stuff makes me nervous.


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by JKalchik » August 24th, 2020, 11:59 am

dacolson wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 10:21 am
I would definitely not make this a permanent fixture.
Absolutely. I only run the burner as long as it takes to get a fire started, then the burner gets shut off, pulled out and the ash door closed.


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by tinspark » August 24th, 2020, 12:42 pm

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Re: Making a Burner

Post by tinspark » August 24th, 2020, 12:48 pm

tinspark wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 12:42 pm
dacolson wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 10:21 am
Man, I'd be super nervous about ash blocking those burners. Gas filling the bottom of the ash pan, then boom. I'm a bit of a chicken here but I'm opposed to jerryrigging anything to do w/ gas in an enclosed area. If you do it, I would definitely not make this a permanent fixture. Make it so you have to remove it after your coals are going. This kind of stuff makes me nervous.
Dave,
I was thinking about possibility of just sliding it in temporarily light the coal then pulling it out. Not much different than using a weed burner, then pulling it out after the coals above get going...slide the burner and burner mount in, and pull it out when done. Most ash screens have enough slop in them where someone could make a 16 gauge slider (wings out as mentioned above) and slide it under the coal screen. And slide it back out when it gets going.. This keeps the operator from having to stoop and wait a few minutes to get things lit. Wasn't thinking of leaving it in there. Agreed on the potential ash blockage!! :explode2: :)
That being said, It may be possible to make a bracket that positions a weed burner at the correct angle to ignite the coal.
Possibly laying a weed burner mounting bracket on the ash pan. light it up and pull it out. I am a big fan of being on my knees as little as possible,


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by dacolson » August 24th, 2020, 3:37 pm

I like the weed burner prop idea. In and out just enough to get it lit.


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by tinspark » August 24th, 2020, 3:59 pm

dacolson wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 3:37 pm
I like the weed burner prop idea. In and out just enough to get it lit.
Yeah, the weed burner may be a little safer too. The metal wand is a couple feet long, which means there is no rubber hose in the ash compartment.
Might give me an excuse to finally buy one.. I like tools with multiple applications..


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by Dargo » August 24th, 2020, 4:06 pm

How about:


https://grillblazer.com/products/grillgun-basic

I know is expensive though.


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by dacolson » August 24th, 2020, 4:44 pm

I mean, it’s a gun. You kind of have to get it don’t you?


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by Dargo » August 24th, 2020, 4:45 pm

dacolson wrote:I mean, it’s a gun. You kind of have to get it don’t you?
Hahahaha,

Exactly.


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by tinspark » August 24th, 2020, 10:08 pm

Dargo wrote:
August 24th, 2020, 4:06 pm
How about:


https://grillblazer.com/products/grillgun-basic

I know is expensive though.


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Awe dang it! I though that we were the only geniuses that thought of this stuff for the first time. HA!!
This problem was fixed before..


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by Pete Mazz » August 25th, 2020, 3:27 am

Harbor Freight has a basic weed burner for $20


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by Texasbowhunter » August 25th, 2020, 9:18 am

Thanks for the ideas
I was not planning on permanently mounting to the inside of the unit due to the very reason expressed as to possible ash build up...
My thoughts were to adjust the holes that the fuel would come out of was to drill them at an angle to there would be no direct ash falling on the holes and BOOM...
I presently use a weed burner but I'm seeking something a bit more to light my coal...
Anyway I'm leaning towards the 3/8" plumbing in BLK pipe...drilling 12 - .060 dia. holes...
Making the hole thing hard tube that would be in the fire area and perhaps @ 4-6" past the opening of the door before the flex hose came into play...
I have what seems to be a safe design I just don't know what the best size of pipe and the hole dia. should be...
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Re: Making a Burner

Post by JKalchik » September 7th, 2020, 5:46 pm

JKalchik wrote:
August 22nd, 2020, 7:04 pm
<shrug> I just unmounted a 50k BTU venturi burner from one of my brewstands. It gets balanced on the bottom threaded mounting stud in the ash box, and burns while I'm mounting my HM controller, only a couple of minutes. Seems to work just fine. These with the right regulator can be had for only a few bucks online.
Here's a shot of how I use it. I knock the ash off the grate, and scoop out the ash box first.
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Re: Making a Burner

Post by tinspark » September 7th, 2020, 9:25 pm

Nicely done sir!


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by pr0wlunwoof » December 10th, 2020, 9:34 am

JKalchik wrote:<shrug> I just unmounted a 50k BTU venturi burner from one of my brewstands. It gets balanced on the bottom threaded mounting stud in the ash box, and burns while I'm mounting my HM controller, only a couple of minutes. Seems to work just fine. These with the right regulator can be had for only a few bucks online.
I do almost the exact same thing. The burner I bought has 3 feet on it so it just sits in the ash pan. The arm is long enough that the hose reaches outside the fire box.Image

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Re: Making a Burner

Post by JKalchik » December 10th, 2020, 10:47 am

That's a banjo burner, very efficient and very quiet. Gas usage won't matter much for this purpose, but if you're frying a turkey, or boiling wort for beer, a banjo burner will burn less gas than an equivalent venturi style (like I use for lighting the smoker.)

I've been meaning to burn together a small stand for the burner, just to keep the threads clean on the burner stud.


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Re: Making a Burner

Post by tinspark » December 26th, 2020, 12:15 am

Here is what I came up with for my weed burner. I got a two pack of magnets at Harbor freight tools for $5 and fabricated a 12 gage bracket to hold the burner and attach to the magnet. 1/4” rod with a 1/4-20 bolt welded to the end. Super light. Should work like a charm!
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Nice!


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